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EUF Youth Ultimate Roadmap 2017 - 2019

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EUF Youth Roadmap 2017-2019

This document:

-          EUF Youth Ultimate Roadmap 2017-2019

-          Appendix 1: Euro Youth: handout from discussion during WJUC 2016 Wroclaw

-          Appendix 2: Protocol from Meeting of Youth Representatives and Coaches at EYUC 2016, July 2016

-          Appendix 3: Protocol from EUF Youth meeting during WJUC Wroclaw, August 2016

After plenty of discussion with team Reps, Federations, within EUF committees, the board, and during  the 2 meetings at EYUC and WJUC 2016, the EUF youth commission and board now has defined the way forward for 2017, and a more general agenda for 2018 onwards.

Below there are three Appendix from previous meetings. Much of the discussion and the rationale given for many options can be found in these documents.

2017 – 1 EYUC in western Europe - 1 EUF YOuth CUP in the eat. The events are planned 2-4 weeks apart; teams are welcome to use the Eastern Event as preparation for the EYUC. Additionally it is planned to have a EUF Clinic for young players and youth coaches in the Baltic area.

2018 – WJUC in Canada; regional events for juniors U20 and U17 in Europe

2019 – one big EYUC (ideally in Eastern Europe)


In 2016, we had separate events for the first time for U17 and U20. This was not quite by free will, but rather WFDF asking us NOT to hold the U17 event in parallel in the same place as WJUC. This had obvious disadvantages (logistics, less interaction),  but also advantages (tournament size remains feasible, full attention for the U17 at their event).

In spite of the advantages experienced in splitting the age groups, for 2017 most nations asked for a joint event. However, we have the situation with many new federations with junior programs in the far southeast of Europe who really would like to attend such an international youth event, but cannot possibly afford to come to a 6 day event with all the associated cost and logistics. (see detailed rationale below).

The solution we have found is:

Two EUF sactioned events in 2017; one  in the east of Europe - called "Euroepan Youth Ultimate Cup" and one in the west - the usual EYUC.

The West event will be almost identical to the 4 division EYUC as seen every odd year since 2009 and will assign the European Championship Titles in the divisions Men U20, Women U20, Men U17, Women U17:

-          4 divisions with a good size of teams

-          5-6 days, as requested, ending on Saturday

-          loose schedule for U17 with byes, allowing for more rest, social and cultural experiences

-          hosting not yet decided

-          preferred date is the classic junior date, 1st week in August

The East event is with main focus of enabling as many potential teams as possible to attend:

-          shorter time (4 days)

-          realistically only 3 divisions; unless we do see several U17 women team wanting to attend

-          hosted by Debrecen, Hungary

-          timing in early/mid July BUT not during World Games

Hosting EYUC west:

We have declarations of interest from Frankfurt, Helsinki, Holland.  BUT if anyone has also a high interest in hosting, you have until September 14th to declare you interest, and submit the bid by September 29th. EUF will then make a shortlist during the EUCF board meeting.

Each federation, and moreover each team, is very welcome to use attend both events.


WJUC 2018 will this time NOT happen in Europe, but in Waterloo, Canada. Many U20 European Elite players will attend that event which we support. The vast majority of juniors will not be able to attend for financial and other reasons.

We plan to take this opportunity to give room in 2018 for youth “grass root” development. There were increasing numbers of youth reps pointing out that playing all 4 youth divisions every year is too much strain on players, coaches, and parents’ wallets (more rationale below).

Several regional events all over Europe

There was a very strong opinion expressed that a yearly event IS good, BUT not to have the same “Chamionship Event” every year, but rather a more loose event focusing on the development of ALL players and not just those on the national team rosters.

The concept will give ALL U20 and U17 players the opportunity to participate internationally and develop their skills. More players will benefit from these events and the skill level will improve short term!  

The exact nature of these events is to be defined within the next year; there are many ideas: skills camp, hat tournament, Mixed ultimate.

What is already clear is that these event should be easily accessible for all youth players: shorter duration, lower cost, less travel. Thus, we are looking at several events, distributed over Europe. The exact format need not be the same at all these events, but can be tailored to each region’s needs.

Following years - 2019

2019 should again have a full EYUC, with 4 divisions - it is our intention to host event(s) for all national teams in Europe. Whether this is possible with the expected growth in the next few years is still to be determined.

Another possibility for the further future would be to go to a 3 year cycle following the age definition which is also 3 years: one year EYUC, one year WJUC and one year regional events. This of course, would need to be a mutual decision with WFDF and we have not even discussed this internally yet.

Appendix 1:

Euro youth 2017

(handout for discussion during WJUC Wroclaw)


1.    Considerations of various formats

2.    Special situation: new teams in eastern Europe

3.    Possible models for 2017


1.     Considerations

a)     PRO a total EYUC with 4 divisions (as previous years)

-          It is a well working event, with a good history

-          It is a highlight for many elite juniors

-          It helps with development of high level of play

-          In many (small) countries it helps development of youth ultimate, because yearly EYUC´s are the centre of their youth program and biggest players magnet

-          It is easier logistics for many countries to organize the trips for all national teams to travel together

-          Easier management when you can register all 4 teams into one system


b)    PRO regional events

-          Easier travel

-          EUF and local organizers struggle to organize such a big event. E.g. for 2017, we have many new teams very interested in joining. So future full EYUC´s would have 60+ teams. It is not easy to find organizers with such capacities. We have a bid in Hungary, but that TOC possibly still can´t organize a large event. In the West there are several notions of interest, but no real bids yet.

-          Again, size: a 60+ team tournament may more easily run into problems or chaos (See Dublin 2012 and Lecco 2014)

-          Many nations pointed out that having all four divisions every year is problematic, because many national team players start to play national teams at age 13, then play when they are 14, 15, 16. At some point when they are 16-18, they may find this boring and drop out. Or just burn out. So skipping the event at some point, and NOT doing all 4 divisions every year is seen very desirable by some federations.

-          EUF have been organizing an EYUC every year for many years. The players are usually the same elite players every year. EUF feels that if we invest so much work every year, it may be good thing to not only let the same elite youth players enjoy this, but do more development work, eg for the 2nd tier players.

-          Money issues: a great number of countries mentioned that the yearly event is pushing many parents to financial limits, so these countries prefer to go away from a yearly championship and to do it every 2 years


c)     PRO an U17/U20 split / separate events

-          2017 was the first time with separate U17/U20 events. This was not the choice or will of EUF, but because WFDF asked us very intensely NOT to hold U17 in parallel with WJUC in Wroclaw

-          Each division gets 100% attention. At U17 in Ghent, this was perceived as extremely positive: the teams  now were not just “the little ones”, but the stars of the event

-          As there is no distraction from the other age division, teams of one age group get to know the other teams much better (including the other gender division team of their own country. This adds a lot to the social experience of the event.

-          The smaller tournaments are much easier to handle. Both the U17 in Ghent and the U20 in Wroclaw ran very smoothly and had a 100% positive feeling. In a 60+ team tournament with 4 divisions, there is a much higher risk of mistakes and difficult or negative situations. It also means a lot more work and stress for the TOC.


2.     New teams arising in eastern Europe

There are several new teams forming, especially in the far East (with # of national teams projected to compete if the event is near and cheap): Romania (3), Hungary (3), Ukraine, Moldova and Bulgaria, besides also in the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus). Also some junior activity in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, of unknown size.

Most of these have no or hardly any way to attend a 6 day event with all associated costs. Bear in mind that these countries have only a small adult scene with only 1-3 tournaments per year, and most junior players only get to play 2-3 2 day events at max. Asking parents to pay for a 6 day event, mosting multiples of an average income, is unrealistic. But they are more than ready to play an international event, if it is low cost and not too long.


3.     Models for 2017

a.     No EUF junior event

b.    Regional junior camps/clinics

c.     Only U17, or only U20

d.    Full EYUC, 4 divisions

e.     Full EYUC Mixed

f.     2-5 regional championships

g.    2 full events 2017 (EYUT/C)


                                          i.    1 Event in western Europe, almost identical to EYUC as we know it. 5-6 days, the 4 classic divisions. This is important for those federations that say that a yearly event is very valuable for them.

                                         ii.    1 Event in the East. Focus on enabling especially the new junior teams to be able to attend: therefore, just 3-4 days, cheap.

                                        iii.    Both events not labeled EYUC. That gives those federations, that want to go away from the current cycle (all 4 divisions every year), the chance to not attend without missing out on an official championship. So perhaps calling them EYUT East and EYUT West.

                                        iv.    Free choice: EUF will not make up a geographic split, but each team is free to decide which event to attend.